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  • #8831
    Nathan Snathan simpson
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    The problem: services that don’t support SSL

    I think the best way to go is to get your entire site on SSL. But sometimes there are services that are not really up to date, they don’t provide an SSL certificate on their service.

    How to solve this?

    In most cases, I would try contacting them to try and get them to enter the current century, and start providing a service that supports SSL.

    If that is not possible, you can try disabling SSL for one page. There is a catch with this: when a visitor has viewed your homepage, any modern browser will push all your subpages over SSL as well. So if you do this, you have to exclude your homepage as well. Are you prepared to do this?

    Why does it work this way?

    I think browsers tend to see any url as a separate url, but in a hierarchical way: domain.com/page does not affect ssl on domain.com/page2. But if you put domain.com on SSL, domain.com/page as well as domain.com/page2 will get request over SSL as well.

    Really Simple SSL per page

    #8853
    Sean PSean P
    Keymaster

    I’m sorry, Nathan, I lost track of your actual question a little while you were trash talking services that don’t offer SSL for free, do you have a question relevant to MyStyle specifically or are you simply asking if SSL on the homepage forces the rest of the website to be SSL too?

    To be clear:
    All of our assets are supported via SSL. So, you can allow your customized customer images to persist throughout SSL pages without any issues. The customize page itself, serving up the actual app, is non-SSL out of the box for a reason – it allows us to make it faster and cheaper for developer license / plugin users.

    We can set up SSL, as has been stated in the previous forum topics asking this same question.

    Do we support SSL out of the box for cheap prices? No we don’t, and we have our own good reasons that you have not listed here.

    You have already made one wrong assumption when you stated:

    There is a catch with this: when a visitor has viewed your homepage, any modern browser will push all your subpages over SSL as well. So if you do this, you have to exclude your homepage as well. Are you prepared to do this?

    This is just not true, and shows that you should get assistance from a developer that understands SSL redirection best practices.

    It may seem like the homepage being SSL needs to happen or something else is happening, but it’s not. That’s not really how SSL redirection works. Every page in your site needs to have 1 official URL with automatic 301 redirect to the proper version if the other is loaded. Ideally for SEO you always have 1 primary protocol, but some pages can in fact be non-SSL or SSL without affecting the homepage or the preferred domain as a whole. This is mostly because of Google Search Console where you can see that registering each treats each separately. But, browsers don’t decide for you which page are SSL and which aren’t, as can be illustrated by every site in the world that has SSL checkout, and does not have SSL homepage, and does not need both to go one way or the other. You can absolutely have some pages be SSL, and some not, and not have any issues with “modern browsers”. The two ways to go about this are typically .htaccess rewrite rules or PHP header redirects, take your pick, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, but are pretty much invisible in the UX if done properly. Either way, the Customize page requires variables and is not a page you should consider for SEO or as a landing page.

    If you do not understand how to do these things, then you are not really a developer, but someone who is taking on development. This is not really what a Developer License is for, as that is for developers who can generally set up their site and manage SSL and redirects on their own without our help.

    For you, I would recommend either our Standard or even Managed licenses, or a custom development package (see get a quote page) to set up your website properly to handle SSL / Non-SSL, or any other issues you might run into.

    If you need SSL, you will need a custom development, meaning you will need to talk with our sales dept to get a quote on your exact specific needs. I can tell you for sure, that it will be more expensive and require us to modify our load balancer setup to accommodate your SSL needs, or potentially dedicate more of a complex dedicated setup depending on your traffic levels. All that is generally not within the budget of our typical plugin customer. Our load balancers are optimized for speed so we can provide our services in a price tier that is not really profitable – that’s our developer license pricing. We do this to make the technology accessible to small businesses and bootstrap startups, but you will need an actual developer. Non-SSL is faster and cheaper than SSL, as you probably already know, so that’s the main reason our lowest licenses are out of the box non-SSL only.

    #8859
    Nathan Snathan simpson
    Participant

    I’ve got the ssl sorted fine – thank you… I was installing the plugin which was free to try the product – are you saying i will need to purchase to try – is there a free demo or trial period for using the designer? I love the ease of use and design but need to see the html5 version and would like to install and view before purchase. Thanks!

    #8863
    Sean PSean P
    Keymaster

    Hi Nathan,

    We do not have any free trials, right now, sorry. This is so that we can have our in house experts provide quality support for license holders. We did try a free trial, it didn’t work out well for us or the trial users, as we had a huge influx of installs and questions without any commitments and couldn’t keep up with the support requests for things that weren’t even related to MyStyle (ie WordPress issues, other plugins from other companies causing issues, etc). We decided a low fee is the best way for us currently to make sure we provide support to the customers who are serious and not just playing around. We have lots of live websites and demos you can use to see the app in action across a wide variety of product verticals, and you can test them on your phone or computer to see the different versions auto-load.

    Most businesses need special tweaks and tunes and months of support to really take full advantage of our platform, so short trials don’t typically help reach those major milestones anyway, and can actually lead developers astray on their own simply because they don’t know what is possible beyond the basic plugin.

    One thing to note, we have a major mobile / html5 customizer release coming up this week that is a major improvement on the UI and app as a whole.

    Until you have a license, you’ll want to post in the Pre-Purchase Questions forum rather than the support forum, or get a quote directly from our sales team.

    Pre-Purchase Questions

    #8887
    Sean PSean P
    Keymaster

    For reference, this was the original forum post for SSL:

    https://mystyleplatform.com/forums/topic/ssl-sites-https/

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